About SAO by Akira_Shaga Thread - Sword Art Online Simulator

So in case you're wondering, no, I don't like Akira. It's not that he is bad person; it's that he lied to people who believe in him, even to his own team members. To Akira: No, I don't believe that you're making a NerveGear. No, I don't believe that you have your own game engine either. No, I don't trust you, Akira.

Akira stated that he has a whole custom engine running for his SAO game. I'm here to prove to you that he's actually using Unity. It's the same engine I'm using, but of course calling it "The Seed" engine sounds a lot more convincing, huh?

This is his proof of a in-game login screen in his custom engine. This is a video he himself uploaded and posted on his forum. (Oh, I already made a copy, so don't bother removing the video, Akira.)
Edit 01/18/15: Are you serious? You really did remove the video. Wow. Whelp, there goes Akira's video.

New re-uploaded video. It's the same video Akira uploaded and deleted:
Vid.me

Edit 01/30/15: Well, I'm glad that you reuploaded the video, Akira.

Skip to about 20 seconds and pause, and you should get an image like this:

Yep, that's right. There are two Unity icons on their so called login screen that they horribly ripped from the SAO anime. These Unity icons are shown in Unity editor mode. No, there's no custom "The Seed" engine. It's literally just Unity.

Seriously, at this point, I can't even tell if you have a heart, Akira. I asked you to be honest and just make a game for everyone without lying, but no; you choose to delete the videos and erase the evidence like always.

So you erase all evidence against what you said for your game and game engine. You lie to not only your fans but also your team members. Your team members are quitting left and right because of your lies. You don't trust anyone but yourself. Is it because of your ego? Or are you trying to work towards a scam or something? I'm genuinely asking you to be a good gentleman and stop lying to everyone else in the face.

Yet, they can only verbally fight back? If it's real, prove it. The only proof you provided was the video that I proved to be Unity3D. Then Akira deleted that video.

Edited by: allenallenallen333

Great critic Allen, hope people will see this and realize how bad is akira and his lie.

Also the fact that he has a bunch of beginner-level programming videos liked on Youtube? Yeah Akira is full of shit and he doesn't know what he's doing. At least the game is archived now so you won't see it's ugliness unless you look for it.

I can't believe that he deleted the video. How stupid can he be? it's just show how fake he and his game is.

Wow i'm on that picture xD
And NO it's not a lie, we are working har, and because we can't show in game vidoes is due to the engine is being redon because of render problems

One more thing is that i don't think you know precisly what you are talking aboout, and why you are probably thinking why i would take my time to read and comment this is because i think it's funny to read

I want to point on theing out, he didn't delete the video for deleting the evidence, he did it so he would only have it on the team youtube channel, but he can't get in contact with the one that adminstrate the youtube channel

One extra thing, it's so obvius that you have clipped that in the video, you can see that the screen begins to fade, AND then it's back to normal but just with a copy of unity's logo, you cheater

Wow just so sad. You guys dont quite understand do you. Being on the team as Argonus I can tell you that I haven't missed many hours of my life for nothing . We are putting effort into this and you guys don't want to realize the truth. It's you people that make the future not happen.

Edited by: Argonus

I won't say that I 100% believe in Argus and everything that he promises us he will make, but never because I believe that they aren't trying. I am a huge fan of the anime and have been watching his project since it was still on ModDB and there were many times that I was certain that this project was dead, but every single time it bounced back and made me trust the project even more. As of now, I am 100% certain that everyone at Argus cares and wants this thing to come out with all their hearts. Can they do it? That remains to be seen, but that doesn't give you a license to criticize and belittle all of the hard work and effort that went into this game. Let me tell you something. Today at 11:45, somebody actually decided that it would be a good idea to hear Akira's side of the story and posted something on the Argus forums. Within the next two hours, three different Argus members posted on the same forum defending themselves, Akira being the first. Within the first day, two members of Argus and one follower of the project (me) have posted here. That should tell you more than enough about just what kind of people are working on this game.

Now, about the reason for this post in general. Let's say everything you say here is true. I'm going to tell you something. I wouldn't care. There are plenty of decisions I don't agree about with the way Argus plans to make SAO. There are a lot of doubts that I have about an Indie company being able to make something so ambitious. Even if I was 100% sure that SAO by Argus was never going to happen, I would still point all of my friends to the forum. I would still be an active participant in their forums and ideas for the game. Why? Because people need to see that we care. How many of you reading this post right now can honestly tell me that you wouldn't want a NerveGear if one were to come out? *cricket, cricket* Exactly. I look at VR projects like the Oculus Rift and I think they're way too impractical to ever work the way I want them to. Yet big name companies are still spending big bucks developing and marketing them. Why? Because they don't know what we want. NerveGear is what we want. Argus is what we want. The more people who support Argus and, not who believe in them, but believe in how awesome things would be if they came out with what they want to, the better the chances of them getting the support and manpower they need to make it happen, or of some big company making NerveGear first. Either way, the future of gaming looks a lot brighter.

P.S.: Here's a link to the forum where Argus is defending itself. Please read this before posting any more comments saying how stupid they are. Also, if any of you have any problems with anything I've said here, please message me (I never check here, so the Argus forum is best). My username there is Nomaru. If you're still having trouble finding me, I'm the guild leader of Survivors of Mortality, just click my name and you can message me there. I am 100% willing to defend everything I've said here and apologize for any mistakes I've made or people I've offended. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Argus.forum-invision.com

It's actually really funny reading you guys' comments. I haven't done anything to the video. Never have and never will.

I know that you guys are trying to make some engine with bullet physics. However, the showcase of the game Akira posted at the time was definitely using Unity. Whatever files he passed on to you guys though weren't used for making those screenshots.

Sure, I"ll believe you guys once you start showing more evidence of an actual working engine that's used to create everything you showed off beforehand. Stop using "we just haven't showed off anything yet" as an excuse. If you actually have some legitimate evidence, this entire issue of you guys being fake would be solved the same day that question is asked.

All the evidence you guys have shown so far are in-game screenshots or videos. Nothing showing proof that your so called "Seed_Engine" exists works as shown for the in-game screenshots. Just show some legit evidence and the problem will be solved. There's no need to even debate against me. Just show actual proof and be done with it.

As of right now though, I think it's just a matter of time before you get an actual engine running (whether you actually made it though would be another question) and claiming that it's what you've been using from the start since you've shown no concrete proof so far. When that happens, I won't be able to refute anything. But I'll be fine with it by then. It just means you guys finally did something right, probably.

Now @Sepirus
Support to make a close to impossible game and technology with a pure and honest goal? Sure, I'm all in. Support a game with obvious lies without concrete evidence even though they genuinely want to make the game? Sorry, but no. No one would be against Argus if they've shown concrete evidence of their claims.

Edited by: allenallenallen333

I agree completely with Allen.

However, I'm starting to think that you guys were hired to troll; where can I bring my portfolio so I can get paid as much as you guys? Must be a big pay.

I'm sitting and loughing of this, and i will say that it can't say if Akira used unity or not (though i believe him se i don't think) but I will soon make sure there will come's evidence so if you can wait a week or two (in the worst case 3-5 weeks), there will be evidence that will get most haters away

Been waiting for a long time. I can't wait some more.

Fine, I'm talking to Akira right now to see if we can release some evidence to you guys.

Crimsonwingzz, Argus isn't even paying it's own team members. Do you really think they'd pay people to troll this thread? Allen, I apologize for thinking that you edited the video. Akira re-uploaded the video and it's exactly the same as the one you put up. That doesn't mean that I think the entire project is fake. I think people are actually working really hard on making as many things for this game as possible, and this is something I've been thinking about for a long time. If Akira did lie about the seed engine, that does put some doubt in my mind (thank you for pointing it out) but it doesn't mean that the entire project is fake.

P.S.: Are you sure the video is after he started using seed? I know that they originally started out using a different engine, but switched to seed sometime in the middle of the process. I also remember that that video was posted sometime in the late-early to middle period of the project. And please, both Argus and everyone else, please don't try and point fingers. I think we all just want to know what's really going on with SAO, and blaming people isn't going to get us anywhere.

Sepirus wrote: Crimsonwingzz, Argus isn't even paying it's own team members. Do you really think they'd pay people to troll this thread? Allen, I apologize for thinking that you edited the video. Akira re-uploaded the video and it's exactly the same as the one you put up. That doesn't mean that I think the entire project is fake. I think people are actually working really hard on making as many things for this game as possible, and this is something I've been thinking about for a long time. If Akira did lie about the seed engine, that does put some doubt in my mind (thank you for pointing it out) but it doesn't mean that the entire project is fake.

P.S.: Are you sure the video is after he started using seed? I know that they originally started out using a different engine, but switched to seed sometime in the middle of the process. I also remember that that video was posted sometime in the late-early to middle period of the project. And please, both Argus and everyone else, please don't try and point fingers. I think we all just want to know what's really going on with SAO, and blaming people isn't going to get us anywhere.

Yeah, I don't edit or delete any proof from either side. It's not something I'd do. Oh and no, I never said that the entire project is fake. It's obviously not. The only things I believe are fake are a working as intended "The_Seed" engine and a Nerve Gear.

About the video though. I don't think its upload date matters since Akira himself says that it's The_Seed engine.

Of course this is only one instance of "The_Seed" engine. I'll call this one the showcase instance for showing any progress to the public without revealing that it's made in Unity. I also know that they are trying to make an actual "The_Seed" engine. However, I'm sure that it doesn't work as an actual engine. There's also no proof that the engine works as intended. When I said work as intended, I mean it works as a game engine should, not some copied codes, engines, or libraries thrown together that can't even run correctly.

Edited by: allenallenallen333

Do you have any proof about the NerveGear? I don't think it'll be easy to make, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Plus, most of the technology to make it already exists. I don't think we should doubt them just because it's hard.

Going to redirect that question back to you. Do you have any proof about the NerveGear?

No, but neither do I have blind faith. I don't think that the NerveGear is fake just because I can't prove one way or the other, nor do I hold with 100% certainty the belief that it's real. Rather, I follow Argus's forums and participate as if it is certainly real out of hope that it will eventually become complete. I'm not going to look at their forum and think "hmm, that looks hard, must be fake". I'm going to look at it and think "hmm, that looks hard, I really hope they can do it. I'm going to keep track of this."

Also, I don't think it's possible to prove that it's real until they actually have the finished product in their hands (which they're nowhere close to having). I was asking if there was anything allen knew of that proved that it was fake, or if he just assumed it was fake because so many others are. If the former, I will reconsider spending time following Argus. If the later, I will continue following Argus while allen probably won't, no harm done. I wasn't trying to be rude (though rereading it, it does sound kinda like that. Sorry ).

Yes sorry if this sounds harsh. But we can't pull crap out of our asses. It takes time, alot of time. Members are joining the team working with Akira. When Akira started this project of his. He had nobody. Ever since our new members joined the team for Argus the project to make SAO reality, quality work is being put in. I can see how skepticism can be seen here. Everybody working with Akira can tell you that we made plans and are still working on how we should develop Nerve gear. You could say its still in planning stage. There is a guy programming the seed engine right as we speak. I don't know if its more then one guy. But it appears like more then one person is helping him.

Argonus wrote: Yes sorry if this sounds harsh. But we can't pull crap out of our asses. It takes time, alot of time. Members are joining the team working with Akira. When Akira started this project of his. He had nobody. Ever since our new members joined the team for Argus the project to make SAO reality, quality work is being put in. I can see how skepticism can be seen here. Everybody working with Akira can tell you that we made plans and are still working on how we should develop Nerve gear. You could say its still in planning stage. There is a guy programming the seed engine right as we speak. I don't know if its more then one guy. But it appears like more then one person is helping him.

Oh, we know your "Seed Engine", we know it very well.

Anonymous wrote: "Covert" Games. Can you solve the riddle?

Thats quite amazing you know so much about our "Seed Engine" care to tell me more? I'm basically trolling a troll right now...

Argonus wrote: Thats quite amazing you know so much about our "Seed Engine" care to tell me more? I'm basically trolling a troll right now...

If I were to tell you more, our team wouldn't be Covert, would it?

First thing Crimsonwingzz, how would you know so much about "the Seed Engine"? oh wait, you don't.
If you knwo so much, why haven't i seen you on the team's forum (that part only for Argus members)?????

dkmiraidk wrote: First thing Crimsonwingzz, how would you know so much about "the Seed Engine"? oh wait, you don't.
If you knwo so much, why haven't i seen you on the team's forum (that part only for Argus members)?????

I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

Hint: I wouldn't use my own name.

dkmiraidk wrote: First thing Crimsonwingzz, how would you know so much about "the Seed Engine"? oh wait, you don't.
If you knwo so much, why haven't i seen you on the team's forum (that part only for Argus members)?????

Why not just admit that your seed engine doesn't work as intended?

Also, note that the Nerve Gear and the Seed Engine are the only 2 things I doubt currently. Nothing else.

Edited by: allenallenallen333

Uhm..... Crimson, your a sneaky person aren't you? The seed engine is just being worked on. Obviously it won't work right now.