We need a stickied thread listing all the mods Thread - Dominions 4: Thrones of Ascension

As the title says could a moderator set up a sticky post that lists al lthe mods so new players dont have to go digging through months of posts ? Thanks

Fenryder wrote: Some people are just so lazy. I'm not going to wipe for you mate. If you cant handle the huge inconvenience of turning a mod off/on when you use it...well there are drugs for that.

They should sticky mods that are useful. Not just any old crap.

And really, why should the moderators do that? Do it yourself. And then ask it to be stickied. Lazy?

Fenryder wrote: Some people are just so lazy. I'm not going to wipe for you mate. If you cant handle the huge inconvenience of turning a mod off/on when you use it...well there are drugs for that.

If you can't handle the huge inconvenience of listing mods of value for the the staff, maybe you are lazy?

Edited by: Maerlande

This is the way it has been done in the past. Many of the sticky threads were done by non-mods.
Research, collect, organize, divide by purpose, maybe do some color coding.

Mods dont get paid enough to do that for every subject people think is important. Besides it gives players a chance to contribute to the community for things they feel are important.

Game Mods are an important subject..probably the most important subject in the "modding" forum. Most forums I've been on have a stickied thread for modders to post links to their mods in. Its not clear at all regular posters can sticky a thread or how one does that or how one can get in touch with a moderator if one wanted a post stickied. If you actually want community involvement you need to get that information out there.

Fenryder wrote: Game Mods are an important subject..probably the most important subject in the "modding" forum. Most forums I've been on have a stickied thread for modders to post links to their mods in. Its not clear at all regular posters can sticky a thread or how one does that or how one can get in touch with a moderator if one wanted a post stickied. If you actually want community involvement you need to get that information out there.

You just make a thread worth stickying and it will be stickied.

What I'm talking about is an empty thread stickied that modders who wanted to could post links to their work. I've already created a link thread to my work and its gone unnoticed by said mysterious powers. Is there some sort of secret cabal boys club that decided these things? Am I suppose to pay protection money or vote republican or something before I can get stickied?

Edited by: Fenryder

There is no sense posting an empty sticky thread just so it can get spammed with links. The way it was done at Shrapnel in the heyday of Dominions 3 was that there was a sticky thread, but the original post in it was a compilation that listed mods, authors, an overview of what it was liked and linked the thread.

I do not have the time or the inclination to compile one myself and I'm not going to just post a blank slate. If anyone has the initiative and drive to start such a project, I can sticky that, because that person will likely keep the project going beyond an initial two weeks or so.

Edirr wrote: There is no sense posting an empty sticky thread just so it can get spammed with links..

Why not>? I'm completely missing why this is such a huge issue to put a mod link list in the modding forum. What possible negetive outcome outweighs the benefit of such a list?

Stickies tend to get out of hand anyway. No need to make one if no one plans to maintain it. Im missing the point I guess of why an unmanaged sticky list would be different than just the thread list in the mod forum? or a search list?

Have you seen the one they are referring to? That might help.
Forum.shrapnelgames.com

If you stopped being rude to people in your threads including this one, you MIGHT get some assistance.

Fenryder wrote: What I'm talking about is an empty thread stickied that modders who wanted to could post links to their work. I've already created a link thread to my work and its gone unnoticed by said mysterious powers. Is there some sort of secret cabal boys club that decided these things? Am I suppose to pay protection money or vote republican or something before I can get stickied?

Politeness might work. Insulting the one moderator on this forum won't. I have had a look at your mods and your threads. You've been consistently rude.

Edited by: Maerlande

gp1628 wrote: Stickies tend to get out of hand anyway.

I get what he's proposing and its crazy to hold the community hostage waiting for some forum picaso to show up and run such a "project." I do not understand this "getting out of hand BS... 1 stickied forum post full of modder posted links in not the gateway to forum Armageddon>? Youve already got 3 stickies (which is nowhere near out of hand) and if there is a 3 sticky limit consider deleting one since this is the MOD forum/mesageboard it should be about mods more than anything else..

Edited by: Fenryder

Sure but then there is the Mods Tips and Tricks, Mods Buglist, Mods Wishlist, Mods Request List, and Mod Generators (since they technically arent mods). And where do Themes fit since they technically are mods? Should modded nations be separate from modded utilities such as CBM or SingeAge for ease of use? Not to mention the subject of Sprites which ended up with their own stickies in the modding forum for files, tips, tutorials, sources, requests.

And of course you will say that the MOD LIST is the only important one (in your mind), and that others can wait until they actually become a list worth not losing track of.
Wait until one of them is a problem. Dont worry. When it bothers enough people then someone will create a list worthy of a special place. Until then it would just be an advertising thread.

Edited by: gp1628

No no no. None of that matters. Stop trying to herd the cats. 1 list. if there really is 1000 mods of 27 different types it can be cleaned up later when said Messiah arrives. No good ole community boy to decided anything beyond cutting out obvious porn and kitchen appliance spam. Basic and functional.

There isnt going to be more than like 20~ links if that unless the other messageboard start cross posting. And at any point it does threaten to somehow destroy us all it can be deleted. One thing is for sure - people arnt gonig to come here looking for mods if the other messageboards have all the organization and we cant even get the mods to put up a link list.

A thread to collect all of your mods already exists, because you made it. You've proposed that we sticky that thread, but that's not actually a thread for everyone's mods, just yours. No one else is currently clamoring for their mods to be collected, which is why it hasn't happened. If your only complaint is that your own compilation hasn't been stickied, The only "cat" in need of "herding" in this scenario is you.

If you really want your personal mod collection to be stickied, you ought to consider the fact that the purpose of stickies is to make sure resources of general interest to the community are easily accessible. Thus far, you've shown no concern whatsoever whether your content is in fact useful to anyone but yourself, which makes your link thread not dissimilar to kitchen appliance spam.

Orionja wrote: A thread to collect all of your mods already exists, because you made it. You've proposed that we sticky that thread, but that's not actually a thread for everyone's mods, just yours.

No you wrong. did you read what I wrote ?. I want a thread for all mods not just mine, I was directly motivate to ask for this because many community members list another website as the place to go for dom4 mods. That is likely due to a lack of any semblance of organization here. While I respect the desire to go all Cadillac on this list like other sites have..we need to start somewhere and not sit on our hands waiting for someone to come along and do it for us.

I still dont understand why this has taken more than one request. Mod forum should hav a mod list. Pretty basic.

Edited by: Fenryder

I don't understand, if you want this list so badly, just write it down and maybe some moderator will stick it later?
There is no point having some "empty" thread if nobody work on it and update it.

Here is how his works. There is a blank stickied thread. Then I go and post links to my mods. Then you post links to your mods. Then tommorow when xyz has a mod she posts it etc etc. That way its not one persons job. Its the modders job to maintain there own link. When the forum messiah comes they will have a list to work with and new people will have a collection of mods without having to go digging.

Its better than nothing that we have now. Im wondering though if certain people want to keep Desura hobbled and disorganized.

Fenryder wrote: Its better than nothing that we have now. Im wondering though if certain people want to keep Desura hobbled and disorganized.

I think you need to know that a decent number of people find you rude and troublesome, for example by that kind of insulting remarks. It may simply be because a lot of people aren't english first language, maybe including you.

To return to the core issue, the main problem is that Desura moderator need to be reasonably neutral. Yet, a list of every mod done by people will be filled by 90% of crap, and consequently be more or less ignored by everybody as being filled with crap. So they cannot in any case do a "good mod list". Someone who is not a moderator, but is well respected, could do that too. People like Maerlande, Sombre, The_Demon, Baalz, and certainly some other well-respected veterans could do that, because while nobody expect them to be neutral, their opinions are trusted.

In fact, the forum you refer, which is dom3mod, is reputed partly because Sombre do upkeep a list of good mods which is both easy enough to enter, but with only decent or good mod in it. That and the fact he have done a lot of mods, who are often appreciated.

You cannot do such a list, you're right on that. But that's mainly because very few people know you or find your current creation good. Continue doing mod, and if the quality of the mod and your attitude improve, people will start to actually recommend your mods and/or try mod simply because you like them. That's just basic social mechanismes.

Ya its that elitist attitude we dont need in any gaming community. One mans trash is another mans treasure. And who are you to say which is which. Forum moderators dont need to do anything but clean up trolling (aka your attacks on my works which have nothing to do with the discussion) and remove obviously fake links. I frankly dont want other people deciding which mods live or die since opinions greatly differ on what is considered fun and one person may play the game in a completely different way than another. I didnt sign up for your little dom3 veterans club and as a Desura customer I shouldnt have to beg 3rd party approval to get a community mod list.

Edited by: Fenryder

Ahhh I have a vision of it now. You want a sticky made today. Then you could post your mods links.
Everyone else would then post theirs.

Your mods would be at the top. And then become popular. Basic marketing.
A very different result than an organized list everyone else seems to want.
OK I see your point.

Edited by: gp1628

Fenryder wrote: And who are you to say which is which

Reading comprehension is not your forte ; I never even implied I was able to sort out the good mod from the other. Well, I could do a list, but nobody would trust judgment. Exactly like very few people would trust yours.

And people can't try every mod, which is why some filter is needed. Just having link to every mod mean the list is useless because there is like 300 mods, most who are crappy (and just to be sure, I don't mean your mod make 90% of thoses, just that most mods, including some done by people I respect, are crappy).

Edited by: Ohlmann

gp1628 wrote: Your mods would be at the top. And then become popular. Bt.

Ya...because I'm working hard to be popular here. I'd be hapyp to refrain from posting for a day or 2 if someone tacks the list up. God forbid I benefit for sticking my neck out for this community.

Ohlmann wrote: [I never even implied I was able to sort out the good mod from the other. And people can't try every mod, which is why some filter is needed. Just having link to every mod mean the list is useless because there is like 300 mods, most who are crappy (and just to be sure, I don't mean your mod make 90% of thoses, just that most mods, including some done by people I respect, are crappy).

People can try every mod but wont be able to if one needs to join a social club to get a sticky. You keep saying there are crap mods out there.. Thats a judgement. There are plenty of mods I dont use..I wouldnt go as far as tyo say someone elses work is crap. Even if its bad code I doubt anyone is out there posting broken mods on purpose. There wont be 300 mods. If there are 10 actual modders, assuming one post per modder, here I'd be shocked. If someone is posting actual giberish I'm sure we can cross that bridge when we get to it. but lets get the list up first and see what happens.

Edited by: Fenryder

People have access to your mods via the "mod forum." If they are sufficiently popular, they will stay at the top as people comment. If people don't like them, they won't. Everybody gets the same chance at exposure, and the good stuff will stay on top. This is about as fair as it gets. If you are concerned that your mods won't get exposure, I suggest making them better. You are also free to link to your mods in your profile, or even maintain your own website.

Edirr has already said what you can do if you want a mod-thread.

Edited by: sum1won

sum1won wrote: ." If they are sufficiently popular, they will stay at the top as people comment. If people don't like them, they won't. Everybody gets the same chance at exposure, and the good stuff will stay on top. This is about as fair as it gets. If
Edirr has already said what you can do if you want a mod-thread.

You really believe that 3 months from now people will still be commenting on the same mod? Complete malarkey. Community is not large enough for that kind of thing even if popular=good which it doesnt. Everyone has the same chance at expsoure? No. People who are better at modding, people who have a following from previous mods or form multiple communities will get far more post than people who arnt.

Why is a simple list such a issue? Seriously way to much debate on a small common sense thing..Edirr's request that one person dedicate their free time to making a fancy museum for mods is obsurd when a simple utilitarian list would work just fine. Ediir is basically handing regulation of the Desura modding community over to that other community since they are likely the only people who would do such an unnecessarily elaborate thing. If he likes that community so much go work there and let someone else moderate who is interested in this community.

Edited by: Fenryder

Fenryder wrote:

You really believe that 3 months from now people will still be commenting on the same mod? Complete malarkey. Community is not large enough for that kind of thing even if popular=good which it doesnt. Everyone has the same chance at expsoure? No. People who are better at modding, people who have a following from previous mods or form multiple communities will get far more post than people who arnt.

There's dom3 mods that were commented on for way longer than 3 months, so yeah. And of course higher quality or more widely distributed mods are going to get more interest.

Also, you're the guy who wants a list. Make one. No one else is going to, because they either don't see the point or can't be bothered.

Edited by: Admiral_Aorta