Comments - Thedragonknight1

Thank you yeah I have been trying to recruit

Yes It is however I'm the only person working on it for the most part. Really need some help!

Thanks the more detailed work will be done later but peasants hovels probably wont have much detail

Interesting maybe it will be included in some form.

thanks guys its still a WIP

Maybe if you can find one that existed during this time but the closest thing would probably be the guilds.

Eye holes look a little too big to me should be about 3/4 the size if you're trying to match it up with the picture. Otherwise it looks great.

You are right it is wrong must have mixed it up. Many of those flags are incomplete and it was meant to be more of a demonstration than anything else.

The Duchy of Swabia was sort of the home base of the Hohenstaufens who were both the Dukes of Swabia and the Emperors... so it makes sense that it wasn't included as a separate faction.

We already had plans for that we are going to have around 50 factions of which about 12 are in the Holy Roman Empire.

Thank you, and the reason why Frederick does not have long hair is because I was mostly working from this statue of him (there are several, some with long hair) Imgur.com

Yeah it is haha.

Yes it is, it includes Westminster in the top right corner and Southwark in the top left corner. Hopefully we will be able to make some custom quests which require travel around the scene.

dung gatherers

Thanks! Let me know if you have any suggestions and I will consider them.

It seems like there has been some confusion about exactly where the mod will take place in Europe. I will try to clear up the confusion once and for all: The dark green is going to be in the mod for sure, the lime green will probably be implemented at some stage, and the light orange may or may not be implemented.

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It will be present in other ways. To clarify it will most likely be used in some custom banner icons, by some imperial troops, and on some imperial regalia in conjunction with the Hohenstaufen banner.

Yes of Course.

There is a cut line just above Sardinia. Unfortunately with the level of detail we are going to get into there wont be any space for sicily.

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Hello there seems to be some confusion, this is not the same mod as 1257, this is a completely new mod. Although it is somewhat inspired by 1257. We will not be adding the kingdom of Sicily unfortunately.

Yes we absolutely plan on having such a system not least of all because it will be essential for deciding successors to the various bishops/abbots who hold land on the map. And yes the Albigensian crusade will manifest itself in the mod as a war between France and the county of Toulouse.

I would be interested to see a contemporary depiction of a muslim warrior covered from head to toe in mail, I dont think it exists unless its looted armor.

Its ludicrous to believe that Ayyubid soldiers were anywhere close to being as well armored as the crusaders. The fact that they looted the crusaders armor actually helps prove that they considered it better than their own.

I'm not saying that Ayyubid nobles didn't wear mail, what I'm saying is that the resounding majority of the Muslim soldiers did not have armor as good as the crusaders.

Siege of Damascus - Muslims were able to use horse archers hit-and-run to gradually pick away at crusaders numbers and weaken them before actually attacking. Crusaders also faced internal conflict some barons preferring for the muslims to keep the city rather than for it to fall into the hands of the count. The barons refused to fight any longer (feudal contract) and so the crusader army was now in hostile territory having taken losses and without any gains. Templars accepted a bribe from Damascus.

Battle of Harim - Muslims outnumbered 3-1 Crusader discipline broke down sensing an easy victory and Muslims were more organized. The crusader army was a coalition army made up by byzantine, Armenian, Tripli, Edessa (lots of room for language confusion there!)

Battle of Marj-Ayun - Numbers of men unknown but Ayyubid armies are usually ~1.5 times as large as crusader armies. Crusaders defeat raiding parties, let down guard (disperse) and are attacked and defeated by main army of ayyubids.

These victories are for the most part quite mediocre in comparison to the crusader victories.

I have read Nicolle. I did mention a battle which the Muslims won- the battle of Hattin. One of the most famous Muslim victories, and yet the muslims outnumbered the crusader 2-1 or more, had supplies food and water (crusaders did not as they were encircled):

And I'm not being biased, the battles I got were from here. In fact I specifically included the Battle of Hattin even though it wasn't listed because its such a famous battle from that time. Since you don't beleive the figures I gave you you can read them here:
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I don't think you actually read my response. Also please explain what you mean by reliable evidence because there seems to be something of a double standard here. And by the way none of those manuscripts show anything close to the quality of armor which the crusaders had. The first one doesn't really prove anything, its two soldiers without helmets wearing something like a kaftan, the second one may or may not depict mail but the helmets provide no protection to the face, the third one depicts small scale vests and comparatively primitive multi-piece helmets (a helmet forged from one piece of metal is stronger than a multi piece).

On the contrast there are literally dozens if not hundreds of depictions of knights wearing full body mail covering the knights hands, feet, the whole body and faceplate helmets too along with stronger one piece helmets and also nasal guards.

I have yet to see significant sources depicting Turks wearing much armor. The few examples I do see on this page (assuming they are muslim) are scale armor which is inferior to a suit of mail. Certainly it is fair more common for the crusaders to be depicted in armor. Let us take a look at some of the major battles fought in the late 12th century. In all sources Turks are recorded as relying on hit-and-run tactics, unable to match their Christian foes in close combat.

How could the crusaders have beaten the Muslims against such odds on so many occasions if the quality of the average Muslim soldier was the same as the quality of the average Christian soldier? Well, its because they were not the same, the reason why Saladin's armies were so large is because he relied on Quantity over Quality.

Battle of Arsuf - Christian Victory 10k crusaders vs 25k Ayyubids Primarily horse archers (Medeival Sources say 300,000 Horse archers, 25k is a modern estimate)

Battle of Jaffa - Christian Victory ~2.5k Christians defeat 10k Ayyubids

Battle of Philomelium - Christian Victory 2k vs 10k Seljuks. Seljuk's record ~5k losses.

Massacre at Ayyadieh - Ayyubids army is unable to do anything while they watch 2k Ayyubid prisoners executed. They try to attack but cannot match the crusaders in hand-to-hand combat.

Battle of Hattin - Muslim Victory 40k vs 20k crusaders who are trying to bring relief to a siege. Crusaders are surrounded by Muslims who attempt to use fear tactics (drums, praying, etc). Despite being surrounded, outnumbered, and suffering extreme thirst crusaders under Count Raymond break through to water supply, Majority of Christian infantry flee & escape to the horns of hattin, playing no further role in the battle. With no heavy infantry and men dying of thirst/wounds and being heavily outnumbered, the Christian army still deals many casualties to the ayyubids. The Ayyubids were repulsed multiple times despite these conditions. Even when the Ayyubids won at Hattin it was not really a true victory because the crusaders were dying of thirst, outnumbered 2-1, surrounded and being peppered with arrows etc. If the Muslims had significant amounts of good infantry than they would not have been pushed back so many times at Hattin. Part of the quantity over quality was that they were not as well armored as the crusaders on average. Here is some contemporary 14th c. art depicting the Muslim soldiers.

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You don't have to worry, Bohemia is already in the mod.

Great mod! I always liked this mod, one thing is that I know from many sources the Turks are referred to as wearing little to no armor (common horse archer) so hopefully the crusaders have armor superiority. I'm working on a mod from a similar time period, perhaps we could do some cooperation? We have lots of information on heraldry of europe and visual contemporary sources.

We are probably including the Kingdom of Croatia and we may include Hungary far later down the line.